There was no measureable difference between those two models in terms of recoil force. It’s about striking the right balance for your application. ———————— I'm really looking forward to having this, too. Just ordered some JP Enterprise brakes based on your testing. I'm gonna have to have one of these. After seducing and sleeping with Fat Bastard, secret agent—and Austin's ally —Felicity Shagwell (Heather Graham) places a homing device in his rectum. 5. Thanks for the extensive testing of brakes. So don’t stress too much over the decision. Nice work mister…nice to see that my photography / laser test method still holds value. Even if you can’t get it to be the same diameter as the barrel, I think it’d still look appropriate on it … and it would certainly help tame the recoil of 270. 338 Lapua to 50 BMG), because both of those seem to get you in a different type of product. The bottom line is to deal in absolute fundamentals, measure them, and remove all the assumptions. It will be hard to do that, since suppressors are so heavily-regulated, but I know it would help a lot of shooters in your position. Over the last 11 years the APA Gen 2 Little Bastard Muzzle Brake has been the go to muzzle brake for competitive shooters, hunters and shooting enthusiasts alike. I didn’t see a lot of precision rifle guys running those, so I didn’t include it in the test. There are no exposed seems etc. Again wonderfully done. Were there any brakes that departed significantly from the overall correlation, such as significantly louder or softer for the recoil reduction? Your Price: $195.00 In Stock APA GEN 3 FAT BASTARD SELF TIMING BRAKE . Rick, great question. Yes sir. Has any body used the micro FTE on a 10/22 benchrest Keep in mind this is a field test, not a laboratory test … and I’m not claiming it’s flawless. is a long-running cult manga written by Kazushi Hagiwara that began in 1988 and is currently ongoing with 26 completed volumes. Lol. It has been a long time coming but we wanted to make sure everything was perfect before offering something new. That way you can use the brake as your thread-adapter. I know the 270 doesn’t kick like others listed above but just want it to be fun but potent. My goal is to simply provide the data, so you can make an informed decision for your specific application. $215.00 On sale $182.75 In Stock Top Sellers. Cal. Not sure what I’m more impressed with – the overall review or the research and creation of all the test equipment! On this one, I wanted to focus on the brakes that are used for the best precision rifle shooters in the country, and those 2 are not in that category. I've got a bastard headache. I bet those guys get caught up at some point, but that’s good to know for those reading now. Just finished up in Clarendon, TX. I funneled baking soda into vinyl tubing, tunneled the tube into a rubber stopper, and shoved the stopper into the chamber of a barrel. It’s a real problem. Now that is a great idea. There doesn’t seem to be much out there to help with the decision at this point. Are those alternate prices? On a sporting rifle they look like hell. Thanks for the info. I’ve declined everyone to date. Jered Joplin Gunny Sergeant. The real signature would be made by high speed hot gases, probably at higher speed than an air compressor can blow and that might change the aerodinamics in the muzzlebrake. So straight baffles can be safer and may also reduce the shock wave you have to endure behind the gun (and certainly those around you have to endure), but I just wanted to make sure you weren’t thinking there would be a lot of difference in sound. In fact, TBAC offers both a brake-attached and a direct thread version of their new Ultra series, and I tested both of them. Bryan was talking about rifle sights/optics in the quote above, but it articulates my fundamental philosophy. I recorded a couple shots for each muzzle brake. Great review, thank you. That’s what makes these tests better. I need an editor. I’ve been approached by countless manufacturers with offers to sponsor this website. Please share the website with your buddies at the range and on Facebook! Oh yeah ! Thank you for your feedback! Will they be available in black like pictured above, or only in stainless steel like the older version shown on your website? Glad you’ve found it helpful. 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As a full disclaimer, my goal isn’t to make money off this website. Thanks, Adith. So I was just hoping this might help manufacturers understand how they could take a pragmatic, data-driven approach to product development, and kick-start that by showing which designs seemed to work the best. Also, I took your advice and took the Accuracy 1st course twice. Fat Bastard was a Human assassin from an Undefined Multiverse, one whose corpulence greatly impacted on his character. I actually didn’t test AR-15 muzzle brakes, because I felt like Jeremy had done a great job of covering that subject. Going to be sweet! Thanks, Adam! There are a lot of people copying that design out there. Love my gen 1 little bastard brake. Is there any evidence that the improved harmonics of the rifle by adding a muzzle break have a positive impact on precision if you take the shooter out of the equation? I have shrewd on there now but realized there wasn’t much of a reduction and then I saw your site and it confirms it. The tests done were for a 308, not the 338 LM, so I won’t make any comparisons to those results. Cal, Hey, do you think it would be possible for someone to build an adjustable brake to be able to dial in the movement after a shot to stay on target? It’s just another tool in your toolbox when researching muzzle devices. He thought a few percentage points difference in recoil reduction may not make a huge difference (or help you get more hits), but a brake that can keep you on target can be a big advantage. E-mail sent to get on the list. Thanks again for the kind words. just ordered the fat bastard in 338, it will ship in 24 hours and the order was processed in 2 hours!i cannot say enough about the speed and quality of my experiance with american precision arms!!!!! It included several objective tests to quantify the performance of 20+ muzzle brakes designed for precision rifles in 6mm through 30 caliber. I recommend a balanced approach by reading other reviews, talking to shooters with hands-on experience with the equipment, looking at what the experts are using, and considering a company’s reputation and longevity. When I was looking at the results of your muzzle break study does the APA micro bastard have the same recoil reduction as the fat bastard and little bastard that you did the studies on? My question: you’ve demonstrated that brakes help manage recoil and get one back on target quicker. Message Body: I wish I could have included all of them, but it just came down to a time thing. Have you had any experience with the AWC products? Does the length of a muzzle brake matter as far as recoil reduction goes? Aaron was very helpful and answered all my emails. I hate to admit it but the JP Recoil Eliminator would work great. If recoil reduction is the most important, then the Alamo Four Star or APA Fat B* might be the best choice. I've never tried it but I will. I do have a direct thread suppressor on order with the Silencer Shop in this thread pitch, but it doesn’t have a brake paired with it (obviously, since it’s a direct thread). So that is an example of why you’d see the lighter green bar on some of the brakes. A greater distance between baffles also seems like it would lower the pressure and allow more gas to be redirected off the bullet path, which would make it more effective at reducing recoil. So I came up with the most objective test I could devise to quantify how well each brake helps you stay on target. Think about the goal of the suppressor company making the muzzle brake. It seems everyone wishes I would have included their favorite brake … but there are literally 100s and maybe even 1000s of brake designs out there. He served Dr. Douglas Evil during the execution of the Alan Parsons Project, and became a nemesis of Austin Powers. I’ve seen guys online looking for the “quietest muzzle brake,” and that is like looking for the tallest Leprechaun. Muzzle Brake: Summary of Field Test Results, Vote For The Best 6.5 Creedmoor Match Ammo, Bullet Jump Research: Executive Summary & Load Development Tips. Since 2010 The Fat Bastard GangBand is a French Balkan Electro Punk Band. i.e – can the brake be installed by the shooter without special tools or does a gunsmith need to perform the installation? I’ve tried to find an objective approach to quantify as many features and performance metrics as I could. I can’t think of a simple way to do that, although it would be plausible to use something like Browning Boss system with directional ports. Thank you for all you do! Here are the prices of all the brakes as of August 2015, and it is ordered by the reader’s overall rating. In what order would you suggest reading the Litz books? Lots and lots of muzzle brake designers have read this post. Now to your question, I’m not sure there is any evidence that shows a TOMB (Thread Over Muzzle Brake) suppressor is any more effective than a direct-thread suppressor. However, this lock nut tended to rotate while tightening, which meant it took several tries before it would line up correctly. You could buy a brake for your Sako thread and put it on that rifle, and a different brake for other rifles … and the suppressor would work on all of them. Pete Gould is the instructor and does an awesome job. Honestly, this field test likely contributed to that problem. Will indeed do. DON’T TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED! 2 reviews. Both the Blast Tamer and Impact Precision have straight 90 degree baffles, so the blast patterns will be similar. The performance of the muzzle brake when ran stand-alone is of little importance to those guys. Compare. Compare. I took the Magneto data from some work I did before the class, plugged it into the Kestrel, and without making any adjustments or “truing” of the Kestrel, was shooting out past 1200 yards accurately. If you guys happened to be there check one out and let me know what you think. I run a little bastard on a Dasher and a Fat Bastard on a 7SAUM. It shows we apparently share a high level of resourcefulness. We are sending 10 out to the K&M match and the Hide cup along with some other goodies. . it would be interesting to see this device in your testing method someday. American Precision Arms is very excited to share the release of the Generation 3 Fat Bastard. http://precisionarmament.com/product/m4-72-tactical-compensator/, http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/04/jeremy-s/ar-15-muzzle-brake-shootout-2/. I am not knowledgeable on this subject, but i have some doubts about ground signature. I graphed the results and calculated the average displacement of each muzzle brake immediately after the shot. The character is portrayed by Mike Myers. Cause I’d assume different brakes on different rifles/calibers would perform differently, so a winner on one could be a loser on another…. I also setup a high-speed camera capable of recording 240 frames/second to record the laser movement through each shot. Trijicon Ventus: Measuring Range AND WIND! The Impact Precision is a 2 port design, with one blast chamber larger than the other, and the Blast Tamer is available in 3 or 4 port designs (all with evenly spaced baffles). Tell you what, you spend thousands of dollars out of pocket and test it, like I did for all of these. It’d be a gamble, and I bet even if it is better than all of these … it would be marginal. That the shooter perform better with less recoil is known. The Gen II Fat Bastard muzzle brake was designed with one goal in mind, to bring some of the most effective recoil reduction to bolt action rifles. Part of the motivation behind my thoroughness was in hopes that I’ll be able to buy an even better muzzle brake for my rifle 2 years from now! I started by including the most popular precision rifle muzzle brakes. Hey, Scott! Thinking about my mates on the firing line! I hear you, but they don’t all look like the JP tank. The JP Eliminator is just as you say and I will be shooting that ugly thing in the PRS series soon as well. I just wanted to give you guys a peek at our new Gen II Little Bastard. I’m not sure, Russell. It’s more than inconvenient. Bastard is a blackletter typeface designed by Jonathan Barnbrook in 1990. Both he and Bryan are experts among experts, but they have a very different approach. You must log in or register to reply here. There are thousands of designs out there … I can’t test them all. However if the performance isn’t there I wouldn’t want to waste my money. Love to know how those two would hold up. That can be a frustrating problem to diagnose. I don’t have any experience with them, David. I bought the Rat Worx Big Chubby. Todd could likely be the most respected long-range rifle trainers in the world. If that happens, we all win. Remington factory Sendero varmint. That kind was incredible. This provides a more accurate indicator of the actual sound levels firearms operators will encounter while shooting. The brake that is “the best” for a heavy 6mm competition rifle, may not be “the best” for a lightweight, long-range, hunting rifle, and it may not be “the best” for a big tactical rifle chambered for a magnum cartridge. I didn’t test that design, but based on the other APA designs … I’d expect it to be a good performer. I didn’t test precision with the brakes, because I couldn’t think of an objective way to do that. 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